Irish Mariners Arrive

Irish mariners were visiting the Hebrides, Orkneys, by 500 AD. I believe that they had reached Iceland, Labrador, and Newfoundland before 900AD. Icelanders agree that they arrived in Iceland about 900AD and found Irish there when they arrived.
There are those who say that by about 1000 AD Irish had arrived in what we now call W. Virginia and Maryland.

Then again I have heard an Irishman say that the Irish were the first to get to heaven and another from that island to say that they were among the first to go to hell.

Guinness

Although my name is Irish and I drank young, I was late to hear of Guinness. I first heard of it in an America movie. The film was about feuding. In one scene "the hero" was confronted by a couple of unsmiling, arms carrying, bearded guys who said to him, " Are you with us or are you a Guinness?"

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Ertebolle

Considering the following led me to the Ertebolle Culture:
Did Swedish bronze come from Ireland?
The name Danaan has referred to Greeks; probably to Milesian Greeks.
Danann came to Ireland
How and why do Danaan and Danann differ? 
Dana and Danu have referred to water deities.
Danube has the same source.

The Ertebolle Culture was to be found along Baltic shores before the Funnel Beaker Culture. From about 5600 to 4000 BC  they knew  the Baltic Sea, the North Sea and more.

Probably most of their sites are under water now. They lived on the sea. They traveled and  traded far along the shores and inland water ways. What did the Vikings learn from them?
They trapped fish. They fished the deep seas as well as close to shore. They took whales of all kinds, including dolphin. They used whale oil lamps. They took seal. They  hunted large mammals. They used grain and probably made beer. They harvested strawberries, raspberries, beets, and greens.


Their boats included large dugouts with sand hearths. 

They made pottery of a Russian-like type a bit like the Danubian. A people in Russia were good potters 10,000 years ago. Ertebolle woodworking was highly developed and showed a high level of art. They may have mined.


They valued and respected their dogs. Dogs were included in burial sites.


Their use of goosefoot as food or medicine and their use of red ocher in funerary practices makes them seem close to North American Indians.

What was the Ertebolle connection to the Irish Isle?

This Isn't the Whole Shebang

Writers of some authority have stated that the Tuatha De Danann are a race in Irish mythology. One acceptable translation of Tuatha De Danann is 'people of Danu.' The Tuatha De hav also been called 'people of God' and 'people of the goddess.' The "Labor Gabala Erenn" is a respectable source for things Irish before about 400 BC. It puts the Tuathe De Danann as the fifth of a series of people to settle within the boundaries of the Emerald Isle, the isle beyond the western isle.

It seems that these people of Danu were relatively few in number and high in culture. They found the island to be inhabited by a more numerous people who have been called the Fir Bolg.

Some recent historians have called the Tuath De Danann gods because they have been related to god-like heroes and hero-like gods such as: Badb, Ogma, Lugh, Nuada, Manannan mac Lir, Aegus, Morrigan, the Dagda, Luchta, Creidhen, Goibniu, etc. I think that they were people much like you and yours and me and mine.

The people who were on the Island just before the Tuatha De and those who came just after, saw them as people of special ability and knowledge. Later they came to be associated with Faeries, leprechauns, she, 'people under the hill,' and 'the good neighbors.'

"Tuatha De Danann" was probably used to refer to more than one of the peoples who 'came before.'

I suspect my surname, Sheehan, came to us from others. I think that 'shee' may have been what some called a few of those who came earlier and had retreated quietly to the hills and barrows. I think that '..han' was the plural and that others came to call us Sheehan and that among those others we came to call ourselves Sheehan

Mago Notes One

 Mago is a given name of my Irish great grand father. My cousin Kevin once asked me why I thought the name was special and why I thought it had Phoenician connections.I don't remember giving him much of an answer. 


I may have asked cousin Kevin how many people he knew with great grandfathers named Mago. I may have asked him what he knew of Hannibal or told him that in Spanish mago means magician.


I guess Kevin and Richard, and Mary are each a name with its special meanings. However, I've this feeling that Mago is especially meaningful.


With this post I begin a series of notes on Mago. If you encourage me I will try to provide sources for information I give here, otherwise you may have to call me a damn lier or to take me at my word.


For example, I may say that there was a son of Mago with King Author in Cornwall. Or, that I once knew a woman related to Mellon related to Merlin. I don't know how I came by this info, but if you don't care I don't either.


Other things I say here may be easier for you to check up on. For example, I say that Hannibal's brother Mago knew how to ride an elephant. That's special and there is quite a bit of info on Hannibal available.


One of the things I intend to do On future "Mago Notes" is to repeat what I have seen, heard, or envisioned of the name or word Mago among the Phoenician and among the Irish and try to point out some associations.


I bet that if you checked the www you could find pictures of Mago's Cliffs at the side in County Clare.

Irish Timeline and HISTORY

Irish Timeline and HISTORY

There are Old Stories

 There are stories that have been told and repeated for thousands  of years. I want a good story teller to tell them to me. I know bits and pieces of them. I just found some bits and pieces of those bits and pieces repeated in Wikipedia! I feel some validation. I sometimes feel that perhaps what I think I remember is inventive fantasy.


What I recall is often not a complete story, but a sort of broken out of joint thing. The following is what I remember of what wants to be a story. Even with a bit of help from Wikipedia, it is still not a complete story. Maybe one of you can help me mend it. 


Remember, my dates are, at best, my best guess of the day.


Some time between about 1500 BC and 1200 BC(we used to just say long long ago) a certain Amorite king of Bashan was called Og. His army was defeated and he was killed by the men of Moses. He came from  a race of giants. It is said that some of them were twice as high as an ordinary man and twice as wide too. A relative of our Og was also called Og. That Og was on the Ark with Noah and a help to him.


Our Og is mentioned in Jewish legends and in the Qur'an. Some say our Og lived 3000 years and is  the same one who helped Noah. Some men will believe anything; some will say anything to make a good story. Phoenicians knew him as a man of ancient times and use his name as a curse. If you did wrong Og would get you.


Our Og is said to have known the Scythian, the tower of Babel, and the Golan Heights.


It is said that his people of Bashan lived in walled towns in a rugged country. It is said that they lived in strong nicely made homes made of slabs of basalt like iron. In Wikipedia a Porter is quoted of having said in 1867, that he stayed in some of those houses and found them to be in good condition. He added that they my be the very oldest specimens of domestic architecture in the world.


In southern Ireland around Kerry, Cork, and Waterford(where lived Sheehan) and to a lesser extent in Scotland, Wales, the Isle of Man, and even on the Devon/Cornwall order is a certain writing on stone. Only about 400 inscriptions have been counted and they contain mostly personal names. But other words have been translated; words that mean ring, salmon, war chariot, kindness, badger, raven,  short, peak, young woman, straw life, crab, hare, horse, rabbit, lobster, herring. They are said to be a bronze age language.  Some say the writing goes back only to the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd century BC. Others say that the writing is much older than the inscription on stone. They say that it was customary to write it on wood long before that. They said that it was written on other materials as well, materials that included gold.


Very similar writing was use to write Old Irish and Primitive Irish.


Irish used this alphabet to write on wood and inscribe on iron as late as 700 AD. In 417 AD scholars from Europe and elsewhere were still coming to Ireland to read manuscripts in that writing. Not long after that Irish Missionaries were bringing their manuscripts to Rome.




From about 1150 through about 1550 the English did a good job of keeping the Irish from tilling their own land, of starving them, of killing their language. After 1550 the English really began to do a job of crushing the Irish ...for a time. The old way of writing was lost, Latin and 'English' was learned


The Old language had been used in literature and history. It had been used in hand and finger signals, and in code. It had power and was used for teaching.


"Sheehan" was written with those letters in that language. The speakers of that language may have named us Shee. They may have called us mound livers or 'sid'  It seems sid and Shee sounded more alike in those days. 


The letters were used to write many languages. The Druids knew them. The earliest Christians wrote Sacred Scripture using the alphabet.


Early Irish accounts say that the alphabet was devised shortly after the the fall of the Tower of Bablel. They may have called it Nimrod's Tower. The head deviser, it seems was the Scythian king Fenius Farsa. Farsa was the son of Baath, who was the son of Magog, who was the son of Japtha, who was the son of Noah. He came to the plain of Shinar with Goidel mac Etheoir, lar mac Nema, his own son Nel, and 72 wise men (nobles, scholars) to study the confused languages of Nimrod's Tower. The people had moved so it took ten years to create The Berl a tobaida and two other languages and a writing system was devised for them.


The writing system and the Beithe-luis-nuin was carried to Ireland.


Ogma mac Elathan and Lug mac Elathan, they may have been on and the same person, carried the writing in Ireland.


Ogma played the harp.


Mac Elthan named the letters of the writing after trees known to the Irish. The word for letters may have been 'nin.' There were originally 20 letters; later  five more were added. The five new letters were called 'feda' which may men trees.


The letters and the writing system may have been named after Ogma, a member of the Tuatha de Danaan. This Ogma may be related to the pre- and post-flood Ogias, at lest one of whom was on the Ark with Noah. His father was Elatha, one o those who developed languages and devised  the system of near Babel. Ogham was named after Ogma in Ireland, but it was Ogmas father who did the devising.


The sysem and the letters and the writing is called Ogham to this day.


Ogham was used to write a number of varied languages. Did the Irish have  a 'phonetic' language before the Phoenicians?

GREENLAND: An Analysis of DNA showed that Vikings ‘had Celtic blood’ by Present the Past – Interesting Archeology News

GREENLAND: An Analysis of DNA showed that Vikings ‘had Celtic blood’ by Present the Past – Interesting Archeology News

When did the Irish discover America?

When were the first Irish artifacts discovered in Labrador?

Why do the people of Iceland say that the Irish were there before the Norse?

Ireland

    I heard one of my half Irish respond to a 'How do you do.' with a 'Without.'


If they have to, the Irish can.

One Quarter Irish

My mother was probably Scott and Prussian; my father Irish and Norwegian. My father told me that that his father told him, "Remember son, all Irishmen are wits, and you are half Irish.

Given my background you may have the kindness to forgive how I begin this bit of story. I begin with a pure heart and a tear in my eye.

Holy places and powers be.

We descend from bards and heroes and there once 

was an age of gold.

Remember.

Let your memory be deep and fine.

No need to remember to sharply the giants, the fire, and the advancing sea.

Better to remember proper names older than the Dagda.

Just rememberer the times before the Tuath De Danann and let your imagination  be stirred.

Trust your memories enough, for there are finer things there.

Be ready to embrace the truth.

Remember a short time ago, just before Norsemen came to North America. You may remember that a few men who came places we know call Wales, Scotland, and Ireland came moving down the hills of Kentucky. 

Some will feel a memory.

Then back to the good times before the bright gods of Asgard. Yes, even then your ass was guarded

Study of pre-Christian Northern and Western Europe has often been based in in the medieval literature of Iceland and Ireland. Still, there are things to be learned from the earlier Romans and Greeks. From the Greeks there are hints of iron bearing Celt coming west perhaps before the age of bronze. They were clearer about iron bearing 'Celt' coming later to end the ag of bronze. Some may have called those later Celt, Galatians.

The Irish

The Irish, though not always the best practitioners, well know the meaning of 'respect.' Some of them also know how to play cricket.

Dan, Dann, It's History Man

Tell me about it. Tell me the story.

Dan was a tribe of Israel. What did they have to do with Hellenistic people.

Danaans, Dananna, were Achaens who inhabited 
Achae and had some relationship with the Aeolians, Ionians, and Dorians.

Aegyptus and Danus were sons of Belus. Belus was a son of Poseidon and Libya.

How did Chaldeans and Danu and Dana come to be equivalents?

Help me out here. How can I begin to make sense of this?

Old Irish

I suspect that 'fir-' is a prefix meaning 'men.'
Find it in the name of a people preceding the Milasians.

Big Lug

Heroes come in many kinds you know. Some are godlike. Some, it has been said, are born of human and god copulation; some gods incarnate.
Some say they are no more god than you and I.

Have you ever found yourself saying, while observing a human doing a thing, "Now that's really something!" Might not that something be heroic?

Here are a few words about something which may be heroic:
The hero is not young. His belly bulges, his chin may be too large, and his brow is a bit heavy. At this time his cloths are rough and he is not really clean. He is strong and his eye is clear.

He is feasting in a palace. He is at the far end of the table, opposite the king, and is eating with gusto.

Our hero is known for being a big eater and the king knows that. The king has provided our man with enormous servings in an enormous bowl. A bowel laughably like a great tub, or trough fit, perhaps, for a pig. Indeed the king and some of the nobles near him laugh, and not very discretely, about our hero's manner of eating.

Not being pleased at the mode of the laughter, our hero catches the eye of a manly noble and says, in a voice not soft, "Who gives you the right to laugh at a guest at your table?"

The noble answers, "We take the right. We are masters here."

"Oh are you?" answers our hero soft and clear, "And what makes you masters?"

"We defend the realm, and you." comes the answer.

In a bound our hero is standing on the table, hard club in hand. His words are, "Before you defend me you had best defend yourself." While thus answering the noble, one of our hero's clear eyes catches those of the king's lusty young wife and, he gives here a wink.

Because our hero's unclean boot is planted in the desert, the feast is over, but not the story.

That night our hero and the king's lady enjoy each other very well.

For reasons of his own our hero leaves early the next morning. As he takes his leave, the kings young wife calls fondly after him, "Good-bye, ya big Lug!"

Here are some words to help you place our hero a bit better. He is a dog lover. He may be the father of Cu Chulain. He moves through a great breadth of Irish mythology. He is called Lug, Lugh, Lugus, and by other names. He has been called a hero, a High King, and a god.

A Worthy Quest

Who sets a worthy quest?

Who will sponsor an interested Irish youth on a worthy quest?

Which schools are teaching the highest level of archeology in Ireland?

Who is bringing more practical archaeology to Ireland?

There is more than one girl or boy vitally interested in the pre-history of the people on the island.