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Showing posts with label Chinese. Show all posts
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Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Thursday, April 26, 2012
More SEA: Gunjarat
Gunjarat is not in SEA, South East Asia. It faces the Arabian sea as a state in western India. I was the seat of the Indus Valley Civilization. A Gunjar nation was probably trading with Sugar before 1000 BC. It was probably dealing with with pre-Islamic Arabs before 500 BC. Muslims were active in the area before 11200 AD. People of Gunjar may have traded with people of SEA before did Tamil people of southeast India. People of southeast India were trading in SEA before the birth of Buddha.
Indian Muslim traders from Gunjarat were probably the source of Islam in SEA. Those sea-going traders well knew the stretch of water, between the the Malay peninsula and the Indonesian island of Sumatra, known as the straits of Malacca. Traders from Arabia, Persia, and southern Indian kingdoms used those straights to reach Kedah and Guangzhou as the Gunjar had earlier.
Keda is located at the entrance to the Straits. It lays on the Spice Route. Tamils knew Kedah as Kedaram. Very early settlers in Kedah were sea-faring Austronesians. Their descendants traded widely.
Guagzhu is the Chines area we know as Canton. It hah been called Panyu and by about 200 BC became a kingdom which included Vietnam. Beginning about the 7th century and continuing through the 12th century Arab and Persian traders were well known in Guangzhou. By around 800 AD those traders may have been known as sometimes pirates and slavers.
Trade in SEA has been important from very early times, especially sea trade. There is likely to have been trade between India and China passing through SEA and entrepots there from about 3000 BC: that's over 5000 years of ongoing interaction.
In the later days of that SEA trade I say that the Persians and Arabs followed the Indians; the Portuguese followed the Arabs; the Dutch followed the Portuguese; the English followed the Dutch. U.S. interests followed the English. All these interests pirated, cheated, and killed to maintain their positions.
Malaysians are related to Polynesians. As a sea-going people of the region they played an important part in the doings their from earliest times until now. The Malaysian peninsula forms one side of the Straits.
Sumatra, forming the other side of the Straits, is the largest SEA island entirely in Indonesia. Settlement and colonization of Sumatra was begun by Austronesians from Taiwan about 500 BC. Sumatra was known as a source of gold from early times.
Gunjarat effected SEA from ancient times. Could that effect have begun in a bronze age of about 3500 BC? Could it have reached as far as present northeast Myanmar?
What do we know of Islam in India before 1000 AD? Were pre-Islamic Arab traders actively trading between Gunjarat and the Straits of Malacca before 500 BC?
Please remember that the above only represents my best guesses of the moment. And please remember too that I look forward to hearing your guesses and speculations.
Indian Muslim traders from Gunjarat were probably the source of Islam in SEA. Those sea-going traders well knew the stretch of water, between the the Malay peninsula and the Indonesian island of Sumatra, known as the straits of Malacca. Traders from Arabia, Persia, and southern Indian kingdoms used those straights to reach Kedah and Guangzhou as the Gunjar had earlier.
Keda is located at the entrance to the Straits. It lays on the Spice Route. Tamils knew Kedah as Kedaram. Very early settlers in Kedah were sea-faring Austronesians. Their descendants traded widely.
Guagzhu is the Chines area we know as Canton. It hah been called Panyu and by about 200 BC became a kingdom which included Vietnam. Beginning about the 7th century and continuing through the 12th century Arab and Persian traders were well known in Guangzhou. By around 800 AD those traders may have been known as sometimes pirates and slavers.
Trade in SEA has been important from very early times, especially sea trade. There is likely to have been trade between India and China passing through SEA and entrepots there from about 3000 BC: that's over 5000 years of ongoing interaction.
In the later days of that SEA trade I say that the Persians and Arabs followed the Indians; the Portuguese followed the Arabs; the Dutch followed the Portuguese; the English followed the Dutch. U.S. interests followed the English. All these interests pirated, cheated, and killed to maintain their positions.
Malaysians are related to Polynesians. As a sea-going people of the region they played an important part in the doings their from earliest times until now. The Malaysian peninsula forms one side of the Straits.
Sumatra, forming the other side of the Straits, is the largest SEA island entirely in Indonesia. Settlement and colonization of Sumatra was begun by Austronesians from Taiwan about 500 BC. Sumatra was known as a source of gold from early times.
Gunjarat effected SEA from ancient times. Could that effect have begun in a bronze age of about 3500 BC? Could it have reached as far as present northeast Myanmar?
What do we know of Islam in India before 1000 AD? Were pre-Islamic Arab traders actively trading between Gunjarat and the Straits of Malacca before 500 BC?
Please remember that the above only represents my best guesses of the moment. And please remember too that I look forward to hearing your guesses and speculations.
Sunday, February 19, 2012
The Ocean Blue
Who was Admiral of the Ocean Sea first, Zheng or Columbus?
Was Columbus Polish? Did Columbus have red hair? Have you ever been redundant and anachronistic at the same time? What do you think about '1492' and 'the ocean blue?'
Was Columbus Polish? Did Columbus have red hair? Have you ever been redundant and anachronistic at the same time? What do you think about '1492' and 'the ocean blue?'
Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Dreams of Joy by Lisa See - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists
Dreams of Joy by Lisa See - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists
I just finished listening to another good audio novel. It is the only work by Lisa See that I am acquainted with. The 13 cds are well recorded by the reader Janet Song. The novel will improve your understanding of the PRC of the 1950s including the New Society movement. It may also help you to understand the Chinese immigrant experience. If you are a woman you are likely to cry with a joy of recognition. I shed a couple of tears myself. It is also a bit of a coming of age story for a young woman.
Wednesday, December 8, 2010
Goryeo
I'm trying to get some feel for from whence Korea has come. It's not easy for me.
It seems that in early times there were important relationships between the people who would become the Koreans we know today and peoples of early Mongolia and Manchuria.
It seems, because I'm not at all certain, that these people found it necessary or expedient to resist advances of Certain Chinese people.
It further seems that after the 7th century of 'the common era' a people called the Goguryeo fought with people of certain Chinese dynasties (was one of them called Sui?)in 'wars' that were to become important to the people who came to be called Korean. It seems that much of this important history occurred near the boarders of China and what we now call North Korea.
To keep me confused it seems that beginning in the 5th century AD a people called the Silla gradually expanded their influence across the Korean Peninsula and so a time came called the Unified Silla period.
In 918 AD the Silla period was followed by the Goryeo. I wonder how that happened?
Goryeo is a short form of Gorguryeo which is the source for the English name Korea! Well, what is the Korean name for Korea? We don't know much do we?
Is it fair to say that Korea began in 918 AD when we don't even know what Korea is to Koreans? Are there Koreans who have ever heard the word Korean?
It seems that in early times there were important relationships between the people who would become the Koreans we know today and peoples of early Mongolia and Manchuria.
It seems, because I'm not at all certain, that these people found it necessary or expedient to resist advances of Certain Chinese people.
It further seems that after the 7th century of 'the common era' a people called the Goguryeo fought with people of certain Chinese dynasties (was one of them called Sui?)in 'wars' that were to become important to the people who came to be called Korean. It seems that much of this important history occurred near the boarders of China and what we now call North Korea.
To keep me confused it seems that beginning in the 5th century AD a people called the Silla gradually expanded their influence across the Korean Peninsula and so a time came called the Unified Silla period.
In 918 AD the Silla period was followed by the Goryeo. I wonder how that happened?
Goryeo is a short form of Gorguryeo which is the source for the English name Korea! Well, what is the Korean name for Korea? We don't know much do we?
Is it fair to say that Korea began in 918 AD when we don't even know what Korea is to Koreans? Are there Koreans who have ever heard the word Korean?
Friday, June 18, 2010
Books
I've selected three books from my shelves to take to South America with me:
Monkey Translated from Chinese by Arthur Waley. I guess it could be called a picaresque folk novel, but there is more to it than that. It is a fun fantasy and a funny fable. It's adventurous allegories welded into an artistic whole. It's been highly popular for 500 years. I've just started it, but bet it offers multiple levels of meaning and wisdom while being very entertaining.
Meetings With Remarkable Men translated from Russian by the author, George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff reminds me a bit of a few interested and interesting picaros I met in my early travels. He seems an accomplised liver of life, and interesting teacher, and a good story teller.
The Magic of Dialogue by Daniel Yankelovich. It's one of the several works on the skills and practices of dialogue that have been published i the last couple of decades. According to a blurb, Bill Moyers seems to like it.
Monkey Translated from Chinese by Arthur Waley. I guess it could be called a picaresque folk novel, but there is more to it than that. It is a fun fantasy and a funny fable. It's adventurous allegories welded into an artistic whole. It's been highly popular for 500 years. I've just started it, but bet it offers multiple levels of meaning and wisdom while being very entertaining.
Meetings With Remarkable Men translated from Russian by the author, George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff reminds me a bit of a few interested and interesting picaros I met in my early travels. He seems an accomplised liver of life, and interesting teacher, and a good story teller.
The Magic of Dialogue by Daniel Yankelovich. It's one of the several works on the skills and practices of dialogue that have been published i the last couple of decades. According to a blurb, Bill Moyers seems to like it.
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